Are you for immigration reform or is this another liberal media spin?

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Rudy

A poll shows Americans want illegals rewarded with citizenship according to yahoo. I don't know one person in favor of illegals raping the system even more than they already have and getting amnesty, and I live in a democratic state. So is this true or did they do the polling in the Chipotle parking lot?


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No one I know is for immigration reform. That is another word for amnesty. Yahoo and others such as AOL puts these stories out because of their liberal affiliations.

I do not believe that poll is correct. Shame on Yahoo and AOL for reporting such garbage without first finding out how the poll is conducted.

That reminds me about the latest poll showing Obama with a 60% approval rating. They later said yes it was conducted in a democratic neighborhood with only a handful of people I think they stopped at 84 people. Another words these poll takers will stop at a margin that favors their position and a group of people that favors their cause.

These polls are worthless and Yahoo knows better but you see it all the time.

What do you think As immigration enforcement takes hold, jobs begin to open up to less-skilled Americans ?

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If this is to long skip it.
Immigration hawks have been on a winning streak lately. An unprecedented surge of public outrage at the prospect of amnesty for illegal immigrants led to the defeat in June of the Senate immigration bill and the probable end of President Bush's dream for comprehensive immigration reform. And that was merely the latest in a series of victories for supporters of tighter controls, including the Real ID Act of 2005, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, proliferating enforcement efforts at the state and local levels and a new package of modest but meaningful enforcement measures announced last month by the Department of Homeland Security.

What of the results? Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told The Times that "there will be some unhappy consequences for the economy out of doing this." While the enforcement climate is still too new to show results in government data one way or the other, Chertoff's prediction doesn't appear to be playing out. On the contrary, there is extensive anecdotal evidence that enforcement is actually having its desired effects: More illegal aliens are going home, leading to improved conditions for American workers and communities.

The first consequence of stepped-up enforcement is attrition of the illegal population -- a steady decrease in the total number of illegal aliens as more people give up and go home. Attrition is the real alternative to amnesty, and we're seeing it work.

The Arizona Republic ran a story last month explaining how migrants were leaving the state in anticipation of tough new immigration rules. Public radio station WBUR in Boston reported that "in the midst of the debate about immigrants coming to America, something unusual is happening in Massachusetts: Brazilian immigrants are quietly packing up and leaving." And the Chicago Tribune, reporting on the Pennsylvania town at the forefront of the resistance to illegal immigration, has written that "over the summer, when Hazleton officials created the nation's first ordinance aimed at driving away undocumented residents, thousands of people apparently packed up and left."

Far from having "unhappy consequences," these developments are improving the economic bargaining power of less-skilled American workers. The Rocky Mountain News reported that in Greeley, Colo., "the line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant . . . was out the door." New England Cable News reported that only after a raid on a plant making leather goods for the military in New Bedford, Mass., were Americans and legal immigrants able to get hired. As one new employee said of the raid: "In a way, you know, it's sad, and then in a way it's good because at least it gives people that were not employed for so many years . . . a break to be able to work and support their families."

When illegal aliens were removed from a Crider Poultry plant in Stillmore, Ga., the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the Wall Street Journal documented the benefits to local workers. The plant raised wages significantly, began offering free shuttles from nearby towns and provided free rooms in a company-owned dormitory. For the first time, Crider sought applicants from the state unemployment office and began hiring probationers and men from a local homeless mission. And, as the Journal noted, "for the first time since significant numbers of Latinos began arriving in Stillmore in the late 1990s, the plant's processing lines were made up predominantly of African Americans."

Better enforcement doesn't result only in economic improvements. While there is an ongoing scholarly debate about the overall crime rates of immigrants versus the native-born, there's no doubt that tougher enforcement has had a notable effect on gang activity. In an upcoming study, my Center for Immigration Studies reports that using immigration law against gangs has helped bring about a 39% drop in gang activity in the Washington suburb of Fairfax County, and Dallas police report a 20% drop in the murder rate as a result of the same initiative.



Of course, the consequence of uncontrolled immigration that most ordinary Americans see is what political scientist Peter Skerry calls "social disorder." Hazleton offers a good example: While cleaning graffiti from her building, a local locksmith told the Tribune that "about the same time the ordinance passed, the whole tone of the street changed. Virtually overnight, it was a totally different place."

As recent enforcement victories are sustained and expanded, we can begin to document the benefits in other areas: less stress on hospital emergency rooms, less-crowded classrooms, slower growth in government social spending. But the results we've seen so far are clear: We can get illegal aliens to return home, and doing so will improve conditions in American communities. Why didn't we start doing this a long time ago?

Mark Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that supports tighter controls on immigration.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-krikorian24sep24,0,6872271.story?coll=la-opinion-center

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Thanks. I'd read a number of those articles when they came out, but not all together.

To err on the side of full disclosure, Krikorian is having a debate in the LA Times. The next article you see will be whats-is-name with HIS side of the issue. I've never found whats-is-name persuasive, but I always read him, to be fair.

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Am I the only one that believes aliens are in our skies and actually visited Earth in ancient times?

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I'm a pretty reasonable person and I love science. The evidence of the ancient aliens is overwhelming. And the footage of the Phoenix lights and one UFO I saw has me convinced they are here now. I am also a Christian and I don't think the Bible addresses aliens at all so its up to our study and speculation. But there will always be someone there to squash the truth and make people like me sound crazy.

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No. I believe this too. There is now evidence that I considere fairly conclusive. You might not be aware how many of these UFOs have been recorded on radar demonstrating unachievable high speeds and intelligent control. Pilots would then describe what they saw, generally weird looking oversized craft that were travelling way to fast to be man-made. They aren't ours. They aren't the Russians. If they aren't ours or theirs, whose are they? If they are intelligently controlled, who's controlling them? If there are alien craft, by definition, they must be controlled by aliens. If these are actual craft rather than probes, they likely contain occupants, as the purpose of a craft is to carry a payload. So, yes, it is likely aliens have visited Earth, and recently, based on the data. The data is the radar recordings and corresponding descriptions from the pilots as released by the F.A.A..

Some say the whole thing can't be true because of the speed of light limitation. If the ships are here, I guess that proves that limitation can be overcome, good news for us.

I know it is hard to completely shift your thinking, but the data is the data. Here are some short videos that helped confirm this to me.

SOME EVIDENCE UFOS EXIST (about 4 minutes of craft performing maneuvers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cs6qIfpV94&feature=youtu.be&a

UFO DURING MOLDOVA TV NEWS (begins at 1:10 in broadcast)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeVBFzAW2Qk&NR=1

PILOT SIGHTINGS CONFIRMED BY RADAR (TV documentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_wdXxf0G3A

There are is also a 2 volume history of the UFO subject. This is a comprehensive collection of the most significant UFO sightings that have been corroborated by either multiple eyewitnesses or military pilots or commercial pilots.

VOLUME 1 - UFOs and the National Security State: 1941-1973 Richard Dolan
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267158517&sr=8-2

VOLUME 2 - UFOs and the National Security State: 1973-1991 Richard Dolan
http://www.amazon.com/Cover-Up-Exposed-1973-1991-National-Security/dp/0967799511/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267158517 sr=8-1

Some countries have also released their UFO files:

FRANCE
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/188750/french_government_release_ufo_files.html?cat=37

UK
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

CANADA
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/ufo/index-e.html

SWEDEN
http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m5d6-UFO-Sweden-releases-18000-swedish-UFO-reports-to-the-public-domain

NASA ASTRONAUT SAYS THEY ARE REAL
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390161,00.html

You also may not know, but all the crazy movies about flying saucers and aliens came out AFTER the first incidents of UFOs had been reported in the newspapers 1947 (Roswell, NM) and 1952 (Washington D.C.) which sparked an under-reported panic across the United States in the late 40s ad early 50s. I don't know if it is even possible to influence people through movies, but if I were in charge, I would probably want to calm the public by downplaying the whole thing.

I had a roommate who said a huge trianglular shaped once hovered over his house when he was 14. I said he was full of sh*t. He got red-faced and called his brother and made me listen to his brother repeat the story. I still didn't believe him. After researching the topic as an adult, I believe him now.

Good Luck!

Is modern technologi enought just to discover is there,UFO or me are too limited to see the answer?

Q. What I am saing,what if we are so ocupidet with technologi that,we don't see the answer not just this time but evry time,we don't use our mind to resolve thinks like this one?Is there technologi good enought as our brain? What if techologi is stoping us from this answer?If u answer i will be soo thenkful.

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Technology has been good enough to discover UFOs since the invention of radar and the brownie box camera.

Have you not noticed that now that at least half of the US is walking around with a cell phone camera we still don't have any good, convincing modern pictures of UFOs. This is a unique window that is already starting to close as Hollywood develops software that lets you manipulate a picture to fake anything.

Yet no one has come forth with good pictures of UFOs. I see cell phone camera images on the news quite frequently and my local news station even devoted a spot on their website so you can submit your images for public broadcast.

We don't know why aliens would come all that distance and then play silly games in crops circles or dance around for a few isolated inhabitants in rural areas. You would think if they came that far they would either announce themselves or better yet have a non interference directive like Star Trek's Prime Directive.

It's not like the Earth is hiding or anything, people got mad when SETI started broadcasting signals into space forgetting that we have been sending years of "I Love Lucy" out into the cosmos in general. It's too late to put a lid on it we have been yelling into space for over 2 generations. Yet we still haven't received a reply.

If someone received our early radio signals then they would be within 70 some odd light years of earth. If they responded then they would half to be within half that distance for us to have received it yet. So we haven't had a chance to try and contact the entire galaxy yet. Our galaxy is 100,000 in diameter and 1,000s of light years thick and one of billions so there are a lot of stars that could possibly hold civilizations out there we just haven't had time to contact or hear from them all yet.

The problem is that pesky speed of light limit. We can't break it, but we might be able to get around it. In Star Trek the space ships create a warp bubble that slips through space at faster than light speeds, carrying the ship along with it. The ship itself doesn't go faster than light only the space holding it does. It sounds like a technicality, but that is how we have to approach the problem. The difficulty is that we haven't found a half-way serious approach and we have no information that one exists. So we may just be too far for others to contact us.

Yet we still have reports of being visited. The problem is that no one has creditable proof. If space ships crashed in the US desert then news would have leaked out by now, heck artifacts and blood samples of the aliens would have leaked out by now; imagine how much the world press would pay for that kind of story, the potential for profit is just too immense. Sure you can theorize a government conspiracy that would by now have required the silence of 100s if not 1,000s of individuals, but the US canât even keep its National Security Assessment secret never mind something as important as contact with other worlds. What conspiracy theorists keep missing is the simple human love for gossip and our strong motivation for greed.

Have we been visited by aliens? I donât see any creditable evidence that goes one way or the other. If they came looked and left, maybe accidentally caught on someoneâs radar then that would fit with existing stories. If they came and left unobserved then that could be possible too, but after spending all that time and money to come all that distance and then just to turn around and leave seems to be stupid. Look at our early exploration attempts there are still traces of our moon and mars landers all over their surface. The Venus probes have all burned up, but both Voyagers are proudly flying through space sending out weak signals telling us they are okay. If another civilization was exploring our neck of space we would see some physical sign.

It is too complex an issue to dismiss so quickly, the chances of their being other planets that can hold life is pretty good; we have detected some of their bigger cousins. If we detect 100 Jupiter size worlds then there is a good chance that at least 1 of those systems would hold a rocky world with water similar to our own.

Life seems to crop up whenever and where ever it possibly can on earth, but we donât know how common it is in the universe; we could be unique. The more we study the universe the less unique we seem to be, but space has presented us some pretty strange things. We never imagined an active volcano system using ice until we explored Titan.

Space is just too big for us to say for sure and too big for most of it to have contacted us. Any civilization in the Andromeda Galaxy (our nearest neighbor) could be extinct and long gone by the time word or signals from them reached us or ours reached them. The time scales and distances are just too vast to really understand.

I think that there are other intelligent life forms in the Universe. They may not be as intelligent as dogs, but I think that they are out there. There could be more intelligent beings than us, but maybe they donât use radio or maybe a black hole and a gamma ray burst are blocking our signals or maybe they just havenât sent any out. We have no way of knowing.

As for being visited the evidence doesnât seem to hold up too well. There are some reports that are almost impossible to shake, but they are isolated, few and have little proof to go with them. Even if you show me someone with an implant inside of them, who says it wasnât done on earth? We havenât discovered any new metals or substances you canât make on earth this way so if you apply Occamâs Razor the easy solution doesnât have to involve spacecraft and alien visitors. We have enough weird people on earth to account for all of it.

As for the radar images that are unexplained; there is a reason why they are unexplained; we donât know what caused them. An application of Occamâs Razor says that you donât go for the hard explanation when an easy one will do, in those cases it could be an earth bound phenomena like ball lightning or weather balloons. We have seen a lot of blurry images and radar images, but nothing concrete or clear. Thatâs probably because it doesnât exist. At least until you have some creditable proof that is what I am going to say.

I keep coming back to the single idea that if you spent all that time and energy to come to another world would you just perform silly teaser dances for the natives? It doesnât sound likely. If it was humanity we would probably broadcast our presence or send down probes to look around. We may be looking in the wrong spots, but it would be hard to miss our efforts. And our early and current probes are not that smart. You could easily stop Spirit or Opportunity with a land rover, they have no defense and their limited computers would hiccup and stop if they encountered a human sized life from. We canât expect our aliens to have super duper advanced equipment. They could, but they arenât likely to have it. At least not something that is so easy to hide from our technology, a technology that by definition would be new to them.

There just isnât enough concrete support to think that UFOs are real.

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